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  New here...(my story and a request for help)

  by stephaniesays in

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  i was raised in the organization.

  my stepfather was a ministerial servant but was removed when i was 14, due to family problems, which he blamed on me (he was abusive, physically, and was told that if he cannot control his family, he could not be an example to the congregation).

  i became pregnant at 15 and have not really lived around my family since then.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  Hi SS,

  Not really in a position to give advice yet, but just wanted to say hi & welcome!
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  I'm not BAD, I'm just DRAWN that way.

  by Jessica Rabbit in

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  hi everyone, i'm jessica rabbit.

  just like i said in my movie, i'm not bad, i'm just drawn percieved that way.

  before i was officially out of the borg and wasn't into any mischief (yet) everyone assumed i was.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  Hey JR.

  Been here a week. I really am starting to feel at home.

  Yea, I know your kind. I married one

  Best, Winston.
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  OMG, was I a Free Mason?

  by Winston Smith :>D in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  lunch break, and i think im going to be sick.

  there are old watchtowers at our kh with the cross and crown symbol.

  it was always rationalized to me as a symbol from christendom that finally got rooted out.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  Thx, xjw_b12

  Winston. Your reaction, sadly enough, is very typical of those who have visited here. Astonishment, replaced by a very deep seated anger, once you have discovered just how much you have been lied to all these years.

  Relax, friend. Take it all in, but relax. Breathe deeply, breathe slowly, and be prepared for what you will uncover, because it's really going to tick you off.

  Thanks, this does helps a lot.

  I have been upset and hurt over the years at what I have found on my own just within the WTS’ own CD Library concerning inconsistencies and other issues unbecoming for an organization, which claims to be used by Jehovah.

  With the additional info that I am finding this last week now that I am finally allowing myself to be exposed to “apostate” info feels like taking a crowbar to the to the skull while laying in the ICU.

  You are right. I need to breathe and takes things a little slower.

  *deeeeeep breaaaaathhhhh * I feel better already
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  OMG, was I a Free Mason?

  by Winston Smith :>D in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  lunch break, and i think im going to be sick.

  there are old watchtowers at our kh with the cross and crown symbol.

  it was always rationalized to me as a symbol from christendom that finally got rooted out.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  No, I’m not really going to run onto the stage

  But the information I keep finding RE: the WTS is beyond anything I could have imagined.

  It seems the arguments for Russell being a mason vs. no he wasn’t can go both ways. Masons say he never was on the register. Plus his life was too scandalous to let the FM’s even consider him as a FM.

  But with the WT being permeated with symbols from the FM’s, “false religion”, and Egyptian religion it’s amazing that the WTS argues that Russell and the Bible Students were chosen as the F&DS because of their exemplary conduct and strong understanding of so many Bible truths.

  Winston.
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  OMG, was I a Free Mason?

  by Winston Smith :>D in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  lunch break, and i think im going to be sick.

  there are old watchtowers at our kh with the cross and crown symbol.

  it was always rationalized to me as a symbol from christendom that finally got rooted out.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  Lunch break, and I think I’m going to be sick.

  There are old Watchtower’s at our KH with the cross and crown symbol. It was always rationalized to me as a symbol from Christendom that finally got rooted out.

  Now I see that it was a blatant Free Mason symbol!

  Geez, no wonder Russell went on about the Great Pyramid in his explanations of 1914.

  And his gravesite, I wonder why this wasn’t in the Proclaimers book???

  http://www.gargouille.info/Pyramide/debuga.htm

  http://www.korrnet.org/fam/kt.htm

  http://www.despatch.cth.com.au/Misc/LahayMasonic.htm

  The more I dig into this cult, the more nauseated I feel for having wasted over half of my life with them.

  If any of you are going to Madison, WI this weekend [yea, the moles are honing in on my location], look for a deranged lunatic to run on the stage on Saturday during the “apostate” part screaming “freeminds.org”

  At least I have this forum. If it wasn’t for this, there is no way I would be able to keep my sanity RE: this Satanic BS for the sake of my dear wife.

  Thx,

  Winston.
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  Whats the craziest thing you've done at the Kingdom hall?

  by yxl1 in

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  i was given the "privilege" to open the kh early to switch on the heating.

  they even gave me my own set of keys.. every saturday night, me and another jw would drive to the kh with our amps and guitars and .

  jam until the early morning, using the stage and the kh's pa system.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  Has anyone ever sat through the announcement to the cong that they were DF’d/DA’d and then lit up a cigar or something like and then walked out that right after the announcement. Man, that would be funnier than hell!
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  My first meeting after becoming an "apostate"

  by Winston Smith :>D in

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  2. friends

  well, i went to my first sunday meeting after realizing the real "truth" about the wts today.. it is interesting sitting there with a liberated mind-set now.. at one point my wife turned to me and asked during the public talk, "whats so funny?".

  ", i asked her.. "because youre smiling.".

  smiling at the kh, a sure sign that your not a jw i guess.. ~.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  Hi all,

  I would really like to take the time to thank all of you personally for your posts, but I’m at work and don’t have the time, sorry. But please know that I appreciate all of your comments!

  I want to address startingover’s comments because these are the most pressing to me right now.

  “you should prepare yourself for the possibility that your wife won't see things as you now are.”

  Thank you for that. I guess my mind set is that I’m, “hoping for the best, but expecting the worst.”

  I hope that’s not too pessimistic. But she is rabidly loyal to the WTS/Jehovah, as it has been her only real family over the years. And she is a very emotionally motivated person. And while she is intelligent and insightful, she is not always very logical. But who can be expected to act logical when their personal beliefs are affronted?

  I’m trying to use the game plan outlined at “How I helped my Family Leave Jehovah's Witnesses”

  http://www.freeminds.org/psych/exithelp.htm

  “least she is smart enough to keep her mouth shut.”

  If things go bad with her exposure to the “Truth”, I can 99% bank on my wife going to the elders with my “apostasy”.

  Like I said, rabidly loyal.

  Thank you everyone for your support,

  Winston
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  As a loyal JW, what made you to start doubting the Watchtower ???

  by run dont walk in

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  i'm sure all of us were loyal at one time to the watchtower, believing in all of it.

  (some of us probaly hated it from day one as well but, ).

  what were some of the first things that happened or were said, that made you to start doubting it and beginning the loss of your loyalty to the organization ??????.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  The first time I doubted the WTS was after I heard of the 1975 debacle.

  I saw a tip of the mountain of information where the WTS predicted 1975 as the “end”. I thought, “Geez, I would have thought the same thing about 1975 based on the WTS’ info if I was around then too.”

  Then the supposed “apology” in the 1976 WT where the WTS placed blamed on those who believed in that date, and the WTS took no responsibility.

  The straw was when the WTS then said in the 3/15/80 WT that; “In saying "anyone," The Watchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah’’s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date."

  That was the most back-asswards apology I have ever heard. It was all downhill [uphill ] from there.
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  Underlining the answers in the Watchtower magazines

  by JH in

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  i found it funny how some people would literally underline just about everything in the watchtower magazine.

  the more the magazine was underlined and notes were written, the more a person looked spiritual.. did it ever happen that you didn't read your watchtower magazine, and you underlined just about anything just to look as if you read it?.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  you underlined just about anything just to look as if you read it?

  Yes, it's called "Zoro'ing" by my wife and I. Everyone has done it.

  My wife will use a highlighter to highlight the scriptures quoted in a study publication before actually studying. Of course, that makes for better looking WT on Sunday in case you can't find time to study
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  Note from the Convention - Saturday

  by Gadget in

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  2. friends

  the opening talk again discussed taking notes, but this time recomended all to take brief notes to have handy for the convention review in the autumn.

  can't make their minds up.... "removing the veil from those blinded" we were given instructions to start a bible study on a return visit.

  this was not just recomendations, but specific procedure to be used.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  Hi Gadget,

  I’m going this weekend, though not DF’d, so I guess I want invoke fear into folks yet

  Beware of the Voice of Stangers. Do not attempt to talk to apostates, just flee from them. Is this because they know their reasoning doesn't stand up to close investigation?

  I was always disturbed how we as JW's are never allowed to even view apostate info. It seemed hypocritical to me that we can go to their homes and tell them that they should view material that differs from their own religious beliefs, but we were never allowed to do the same against our own beliefs. With my mind freed of late, I began to look at this scripture in a new light:

  *** Rbi8 Hebrews 4:12 *** 12 For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and [their] marrow, and [is] able to discern thoughts and intentions of [the] heart.

  Now does the WTS believe that apostate literature is more powerful than the Bible? If not, why can't we view so called “apostate” lit and use the Bible to discern what is false and what is true for ourselves?

  It’s interesting how when someone uses Acts 17:10-11 as a foundation for them having the right to examine WTS pub against the bible:

  11 Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·ni'ca, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.

  That the WTS says, as in the w81 2/15 18 Do We Need Help to Understand the Bible? Beroeans listened with a readiness, yes, an eagerness, to believe. Thus not only were they open-minded, but they were wanting to have this “good news” proved true.

  Do they think that any of us that have been in the WTS all of our lives are eager to prove the WTS is wrong and that we have been part a cult all of our lives?

  Geesh, that is the last thing any of us wanted.